阿波罗19号访谈录

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另一位内部人士关于阿波罗19/20事件的揭秘：“MOONWALKER1966DELTA”——
一位YouTube用户——自称是前NASA宇航员

作者：卢卡·斯坎坦布洛

引言


自2007年5月以来，我以自由调查员的身份研究了一个引人入胜的案例，该案例至今在主流媒体世界中仍被尴尬地沉默对待：阿波罗19/20事件，涉及机密的美国空军任务——官方从未发生过——由NASA协助以及苏联的合作。
  到目前为止，似乎只有凯文·史密斯——参见他2007年10月在我的采访中，在他的电台节目凯文·史密斯秀（来自亚利桑那州凤凰城的直播）——对这个有争议的话题展开了坦诚的讨论。
  在为数不多的相关报道中，我想指出史蒂夫·约翰逊为英国双月刊出版物撰写的一篇报道：阿波罗20争议，第31-35页，UFO数据杂志，2007年11-12月；该报道公正且保持开放态度。
  我们知道阿波罗19/20事件是一个由真相和虚假构成的丛林；存在矛盾之处和一些误导性数据，但同时也包含前所未见的非常有趣的视频、月球表面上对称（人造？）物体的官方证据、一些关于太空探索和太空飞行的详细信息，以及一个可以解读这个惊人故事的历史背景。我的观点是，我们正面对一些真相的核心，这对人类的未来至关重要。

  上述及推测中的军事太空任务的目标将是月球的背面，旨在探索和收集关于那里存在的一些神秘巨大物体的数据；其中包括两个三角形物体和一个巨大的雪茄形物体，显然是古老的外星飞船。

  自2007年4月起通过YouTube讲述这个故事的内部人士是“retiredafb”（他的YouTube用户名），他自称是威廉·拉特利奇，一位美国公民和前民用试飞员，据称在上个世纪曾受雇于阿弗罗、钱斯·沃特和美国空军，之后作为指挥官（CDR）参加了阿波罗20号任务。阿波罗20号的其他两名机组人员：莉娜·玛丽埃塔·斯奈德（作为CSP）和著名宇航员阿列克谢·列昂诺夫（作为LMP）。

  根据拉特利奇的证词，阿波罗20号是一项秘密的美苏联合太空任务，发生于1976年8月（从范登堡空军基地发射：8月16日），大约在著名的阿波罗-联盟测试项目（1975年7月发射，阿波罗18号和联盟19号）一年之后。
  2007年5月底，“retiredafb”友好地通过YouTube通用消息服务授予了我一次采访（非电子邮件）；我得以安排并在我的网站www.angelismarriti.it上发布这次采访；作为一名记者，我认为“retiredafb”讲述的关于阿波罗19和20号的故事值得关注。

  举一个例子，这个故事的一个间接且可能的确认是阿列克谢·列昂诺夫签名的、不太为人所知的ASTP纪念旗帜；P.R.——一位自2007年8月以来一直关注我报道的意大利公民——找到了USSR-AIRSPACE.COM的官方链接：你可以看到这些旗帜看起来像是星座号（推测中的阿波罗20号指令服务舱）上的任务徽章；甚至在revver.com上，另一位用户也指出了相同的链接。
 
  拉特利奇退休前的最后一份工作是参与KH-11项目（美国空军）。他还向我解释说，ASTP（阿波罗-联盟测试项目）是阿波罗19号的准备任务；随后是阿波罗20号，这是在推测中的阿波罗19号失败及其机组人员推测中丧生之后。因此，威廉·拉特利奇声称乘坐土星五号月球火箭进行的机密月球任务阿波罗20号，应该是在阿波罗19号之后进行的。在回忆阿波罗19号飞船及其机组人员的戏剧性损失时，令我惊讶的是，威廉·拉特利奇在采访中（见第13个回答）比之前告诉我的更加精确；2007年5月23日，他在我们的联系中（见图3）告诉我：
<<阿波罗19号在TLI结束时失去了遥测信号，当时并未得到明确解释，但据信是一种自然现象，即飞行器与克鲁伊特尼兄弟之一相撞，该天体在1976年尚未被识别。>>

2007年5月23日，下午6点12分，来自我的YouTube账户

  目前，威廉·拉特利奇（1930年出生于比利时格伦贝亨，他在YouTube上的用户卡中注明）转移到了另一个文件共享网站：revver.com，他在那里注册的用户名与YouTube上使用的相同：“retiredafb”。你可以在以下地址看到他的部分视频：

http://revver.com/u/retiredafb/ 
 


“MOONWALKER1966DELTA”发声
 
  后来，另一位YouTube用户——名为“moonwalker1966delta”——开始传播据称是机密的关于阿波罗20号任务的短视频。我在此报告中向您呈现的讨论是我通过YouTube账户/通用消息进行的问答采访。在2008年5月以来的几次YouTube联系之后，我于2008年8月14日将问题发送到他的账户，他在这些联系中已经透露：

1) 他是一名前NASA宇航员；
2) 他是（幸存的）阿波罗19号指挥官（CMDR），并且认为<<既然威廉决定说出真相>>，他认为<<现在是做同样事情的正确时机>>。

  此外，在2008年7月24日的另一条消息中，他披露了他声称的身份，包括姓名和他在NASA担任宇航员的前太空任务。我倾向于不透露这些——正如他所建议的——直到最终有更多新的元素被披露。
  如果“moonwalker1966delta”告诉我的关于他身份的信息是真实的，并且这将得到确认，那么他勇敢的举动可能会永远改变人类历史以及我们对人类在宇宙中角色的看法。依我拙见，五角大楼、NASA和俄罗斯政府可以利用这一启示：帮助在物理和精神各个维度拓宽人类的视野，并帮助解决能源危机，这可以提升美国和俄罗斯的声誉，并缓和莫斯科与华盛顿之间当前的分歧。 
  正如我在之前的一份报告中所写，通过一个未知的历史事实——过去世界两大强国（美国和苏联）尽管存在所有分歧和政治敌意，却为了科学和平活动联合起来——来披露和传播关于宇宙中外星智能生命存在的真相，将是一件好事。
 正如威廉·拉特利奇在YouTube上的一条评论中指出的：<<[...] 阿波罗20号属于全人类，它是全人类遗产的一部分>>。

  维吉尔写道：<<Carpent tua poma nepotes>>（子孙将收获你的果实）。阿波罗20号的徽章引用了这句话。也许我们就是那些子孙。

 




  对“MOONWALKER1966DELTA”的采访
- 第一部分 -




  在下面的采访中，我只添加了正确的空格，并纠正了我们消息中存在的一些拼写错误（例如，我添加了正确的大写字母，如“I”代替“i”，“Earth”代替“earth”，可能是匆忙中写下的等），但我没有改变“moonwalker1966delta”所写句子的句法结构，在我看来，从他的英语来看，他似乎是美国英语母语者，或者是一个英语非常好的人。



  1)  卢卡·斯坎坦布洛：首先，我想感谢您宝贵的时间和善意。您的YouTube用户名是“moonwalker1966delta”。在我们的联系中，您没有提供可以证明您身份的文件，但您向我透露了您的姓名；您还声明您是一名前NASA宇航员，并且曾是“阿波罗19号指挥官（CMDR）”，我知道CMDR，就像CDR一样，是指挥官的意思。当然，我按照承诺一直在保护您的身份，并且我将省略您提到的相关NASA宇航员的名字，至少目前如此。我希望他们迟早会站出来发声。您能解释一下为什么选择这个用户名吗？我认为一些线索——如果您愿意的话——就足够了。顺便说一下，去年我收到了一封关于阿波罗20号事件的电子邮件，来自一位前美国飞行员，他写道：
  <<毫无疑问，美国自1962年以来就一直在月球上，但并非使用火箭推进来实现这一点。然而，水星、双子星和阿波罗的火箭发射被用作秘密项目的掩护。很有可能在官方阿波罗计划之前和之后都有几次阿波罗发射，但它们可能是从迪戈加西亚岛、夸贾林环礁或澳大利亚（可能是梅尔维尔岛）或其他秘密发射区发射的。从范登堡发射土星五号虽然可能，但似乎不太可能，因为火箭的尺寸以及它要前往月球的事实。地球的自转速度在所有土星发射中都很重要，因此发射通常必须向东进行。由于从范登堡向东发射非常不可能 [...]>>
  不幸的是，尽管我发了几封电子邮件，但从未收到他的回复。这就是为什么我决定公开他电子邮件文本的部分内容。您能评论一下他的观点吗？
     
moonwalker1966delta：亲爱的卢卡，非常感谢您给我机会谈论此事以及所有相关事宜。老实说，我不知道我们是否自1962年以来就一直在月球上，但我不同意这一点，原因很简单，我们当时没有那样的技术，而且我一步一步地跟踪了从水星和双子星任务到阿波罗计划的月球任务和月球时代，我从未听说过任何之前可能进行的月球任务。
  我们从范登堡空军基地发射，发射塔和发射场是通过海运到那里的。一个简单的总装大楼，后来为航天飞机的军事任务缩短了。LUT塔是相同的型号，履带式运输车也是。
任务控制中心位于俄罗斯的叶夫帕托里亚和美国的范登堡。说从范登堡发射月球任务不可能或相当困难是完全错误的，说地球自转速度在太空发射中很重要也是错误的。一个典型的例子可能是1994年1月25日从范登堡空军基地发射的克莱门汀1号无人月球探测器。实际上，从地球上的任何地方都可以发射航天器到月球，唯一的区别是在TLI期间插入正确的月球转移轨道所需的时间更长和燃料消耗更大。我知道有人使用软件模拟了从范登堡的阿波罗发射，结果是第一级和第二级会坠毁在亚利桑那州和南乔治亚州。这是真的！但是，如果你看一下例如阿波罗11号的第一级分离镜头和拉特利奇的阿波罗20号镜头，你肯定会注意到它分离的高度比阿波罗11号的高度高得多，分离速度也慢得多，唯一的原因是为了让第一级和第二级仍然受到地球引力的吸引，但高度足够高，以确保它们在重返大气层时完全烧毁。
  关于我的昵称，我可以说它仅用三个词代表了我内心的个人宇宙以及所有吸引我的事物。Moonwalker（月球漫步者）是因为我在月球上行走过。1966是因为在1966年7月18日至21日的双子星10号任务期间，我操作了第一台计算机，而delta通常表示源自外星技术或通常表示外星干预的技术。



2)  L.S.   威廉·拉特利奇（阿波罗20号指挥官）告诉我，你们——阿波罗19号的机组人员——在TLI机动结束时在太空中失踪了。自从你2008年5月12日第一次回复我的YouTube账户/通用消息以来，你告诉我尽管困难重重，你幸存了下来，这让我深受触动。你对我说：
<<我真的不知道也不理解为什么威廉说我们在太空中失踪了。那不是真的。我们确实被什么东西击中了，这是真的>>。
 而这最后一点正是威廉·拉特利奇告诉我们的。此外，你在2008年5月12日给我的第一条消息中确认：
<<我们仍然不知道是什么导致了陀螺惯性矢量轻微丢失、电力总线单元突然故障以及遥测信号完全丢失。我们前面板冒烟并起了小火，但我们立即将其扑灭了。一旦我们恢复电力，我们就手动停止了陀螺运动。幸运的是，我们仍然与休斯顿保持无线电联系，一旦[姓名省略]和[姓名省略]进入模拟器，我们就能够通过[姓名省略]和休斯顿以语音方式接收远程遥测数据。>>

  那么——如果我错了，请纠正我——这意味着阿波罗19号的发射台在加利福尼亚州，然后发射后，你们得到了休斯顿任务控制中心（在德克萨斯州）的协助，而不是位于加利福尼亚州的范登堡空军基地？
  顺便说一下：2007年6月24日，我收到威廉·拉特利奇的一条消息，其中他说：
<<嗨，卢卡，是的，我确认，任务控制中心在范登堡，不是NASA，这是一个政治烂摊子，NASA提供了飞行器，这是俄罗斯的条件，飞行器必须是













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前苏联宇航员阿列克谢·列昂诺夫，手持阿波罗-联盟测试计划的美国与苏联旗帜；
请参见以下链接。











阿波罗-联盟测试计划的美国与苏联旗帜；
请参见以下链接



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航天飞机发射场
以及一枚泰坦火箭从
加利福尼亚州
范登堡空军基地发射

美国空军照片
由NASA提供















来自视频片段
<<APOLLO 20 Legacy liftoff
of Apollo 20 saturne 5>>，
由“retiredafb”于2007年4月9日
上传至YouTube。















AS15-M-1579高分辨率图像细节，
拍摄于阿波罗15号任务；
相机高度：116公里；
轨道圈数：38；太阳高度角：24°；
镜头焦距：3英寸



由NASA/LPI提供












来自视频片段
<<APOLLO 20 TEST Snyder Ingress>>



该视频由“retiredafb”（William Rutledge）于2007年6月18日上传至YouTube；可在技术人员的工作服上看到北美罗克韦尔公司的标志。该视频后被“retiredafb”本人删除，随后由“moonwalker1966delta”再次上传至YouTube。



















来自“retiredafb”上传至revver.com的视频片段：
此人很可能是
William Rutledge，
阿波罗20号指令长，此时正在
月球远端的
凤凰号登月舱（LM-15）内
（1976年8月）；



阿波罗20号任务经过时间174小时，
非计划电视传输



















小约翰·L·斯威格特
（1931年8月30日 – 1982年12月27日）NASA宇航员；在1966年4月加入NASA之前，他曾是北美航空公司试飞员。1957年至1964年间，他还担任过普惠公司的工程试飞员。



来源与致谢：
传记数据，NASA，
林登·B·约翰逊航天中心



















《月之两面》。
冷战太空竞赛的故事
作者：
David Scott 与 Alexei Leonov。
与Christine Toomey合著。



Thomas Dunne Books，
圣马丁出版社，纽约，
美国首版，2004年10月。
英国首次出版
由Simon & Schuster出版，
一家Viacom公司。



























来自一次推测的
非计划电视传输的片段：所谓的“EBE Mona Lisa”
在凤凰号LM-15登月舱内
（阿波罗20号，任务经过时间174小时），由登月舱乘组在一艘古老的
三角形飞船上发现，
该飞船停靠在月球远端，
距离雪茄形物体不远。

片段来源：
由“retiredafb”上传至revver.com的视频

















来自
AS15-M-1720_MED的细节
NASA照片，由
约翰逊航天中心和
亚利桑那州立大学空间
探索资源提供



apollo.sese.asu.edu/















NASA图像细节（AS15-M-1720_MED）
由L. Scantamburlo
使用Gimp 2.2.10软件
调整对比度和亮度，
该软件由
Spencer Kimball 与 Peter Mattis开发















在官方NASA照片中可见的三角形物体，是否是William Rutledge
和“moonwalker1966delta”提到的
停靠在月球表面的两艘三角形飞船之一？



















通过LM-15（阿波罗20号登月舱）舷窗看到的推测月球表面：来自“retiredafb”上传至revver.com的视频片段；
表面上的着陆器
看起来像
苏联的月球车。
解释请参见第10号答案。



























NASA图像细节（AS15-M-1580_LRG）
由L. Scantamburlo
使用Gimp 2.2.10软件
旋转并调整对比度和亮度，
该软件由
Spencer Kimball 与 Peter Mattis开发





NASA照片由约翰逊航天中心与亚利桑那州立大学太空探索资源提供



apollo.sese.asu.edu/

















登月舱窗户上的着陆点指示器（L.P.D.）。

NASA提供
图片来源：点击此处







视频帧
<<阿波罗20号着陆前在月球上空飞越的外星飞船>>
由“retiredafb”于2007年5月4日在YouTube上传播。









来自Luca Scantamburlo的YouTube账户，由“retiredafb”发送的消息（于2007年6月6日凌晨01:37收到）

感谢YouTube







来自Luca Scantamburlo的YouTube账户，由“retiredafb”发送的消息（于2007年5月23日凌晨06:12收到）

感谢YouTube







来自Luca Scantamburlo的YouTube账户，由“retiredafb”发送的消息（于2007年7月15日上午09:26收到）

感谢YouTube

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REVELATIONS BY ANOTHER INSIDER ON THE APOLLO 19/20 CASE: "MOONWALKER1966DELTA" - 
A YOUTUBE USER - CLAIMS TO BE A FORMER NASA ASTRONAUT

by Luca Scantamburlo

INTRODUCTION 


Since May 2007 I have been investigating as freelancer an intrigant case on which so far there is an embarrassing silence in the mass media world: the Apollo 19/20 case, about classified USAF missions - officially never occured - by NASA assistance and the collaboration of the Soviets.
  It seems that up to now only Kevin Smith - see his interview with me in October 2007, during his radio talk The Kevin Smith Show (live from Phoenix, Arizona) - has opened a honest discussion on the controversial topic.
  Among not many reports on the issue, I want to point out the one written by Steve Johnson for a British bi-monthly publication: The Apollo XX Controversy, pages 31-35, UFO Data Magazine, November-December 2007; it is fair and keeps an open mind.
  We know the Apollo 19/20 case is a jungle composed by truth and fake; there are contradictory aspects and some misleading data, but at the same time very interesting videos never seen before, official evidence of symmetrical (artificial?) objects resting on the lunar surface, some detailed information on Space exploration and Space flight, and an historical context where to read this astonishing story. My opinion is we are facing some kernels of truth, very important for the mankind's future.

  The target of the above-mentioned and presumed military space missions would have been the far side of the Moon, where to explore and collect data about some mysterious and huge objects resting over there; among them, two triangle objects and a huge cigar-shaped object, apparently ancient extraterrestrial space ships.

  The insider who - since April 2007 by YouTube - has been telling the story is "retiredafb" (that's his YouTube user name), who claims to be William Rutledge, an American citizen and a former civilian test pilot that would have employed in the last century with Avro, Chance Vought and the USAF, before taking part in Apollo 20 as commander (CDR). The other two crew members of Apollo 20: Leona Marietta Snyder (as CSP) and the famous cosmonaut Alexei Leonov (as LMP).

  According to Rutledge's testimony, Apollo 20 was a secret joint US and Soviet space mission that occured in August 1976 (launch from Vandenberg AFB: August 16), about one year after the famous Apollo-Soyuz Test Project, which launched in July 1975 (Apollo 18 and Soyuz 19).
  Kindly at the end of May 2007 ?retiredafb? granted me an interview (not by e-mail) by the YouTube General messages service; an interview which I was able to arrange and spread on my website: www.angelismarriti.it; as journalist I thought the story told by ?retiredafb? about Apollo 19 and 20 was worthy of attention.

  Just to give you an example, an indirect and possible confirmation of the story could be the not well-known ASTP memorial flags signed by Alexei Leonov; P.R. - one Italian citizen who has been following my reports since August 2007 - has found the official link of USSR-AIRSPACE.COM: you can see that the flags look like the mission patch aboard the Constellation, presumed Apollo 20 CSM; even on revver.com another user pointed out the same link.
 
  Rutledge's last job before retiring was working on the KH-11 project (USAF). He explained me also that the ASTP (Apollo-Soyuz Test Project) was the preparatory mission to Apollo 19; and later Apollo 20, after the presumed failure of Apollo 19 and the presumed loss of its crew. Therefore Apollo 20, a classified mission to the Moon alleged by William Rutledge to have taken place aboard a Saturn V moon rocket, would have been preceded by Apollo 19. In recollecting the dramatic loss of the Apollo 19 spacecraft and of its crew, it was an amazing thing to me how William Rutledge was more precise about it before what he told me in the interview (see answer nr.13); on May 23 2007, he told me in our contacts (see Fig.3) that:
<<Apollo 19 had a loss of telemetry wheile being at the end of the TLI, it was not clearly explained at this time, but it is beleived, it was a natural phenomemon, a collision of the aircraft and one of Cruithne brother, who was not identified in 1976. >>

May 23, 2007, 06:12 PM, from my YouTube Account

  At the moment William Rutledge (born in Belgium in 1930, in Grembergen, he specified in his user-card on-line on YouTube) moved to another website of files sharing: revver.com, where he has registered himself with the same nickname used on YouTube : ?retiredafb?. You can see some of his videos at the following address:

http://revver.com/u/retiredafb/ 
 


"MOONWALKER1966DELTA" SPEAKS OUT
 
  Later on another YouTube user - by the name of "moonwalker1966delta" - has been beginning to spread alleged classified short videos about Apollo 20 mission. The discussion I present to you in this report is an interview I arranged from questions and answers accomplished by YouTube Account/General Messages. I sent my questions to his account on August 14, 2008, after some contacts by YouTube taken place since May 2008, in which he had already revealed:

1) to be a former NASA astronaut;
2) to be the (survived) Apollo 19 Commander (CMDR), and that <<since William decided to tell the truth>>, he thinks <<it's the right moment to do the same>>.

  Moreover - on July 24, 2008 - in another message he disclosed his alleged identity, with name, surname and his former space missions as astronaut for NASA. I prefer not revealing it - as he has suggested - until more and new elements will be disclosed at last.
  If "moonwalker1966delta" has told me the truth about his identity and this will be confirmed, his courageous gesture could change forever the human history and our perspective of humanity's role in the Universe. The Pentagon, NASA and the Russian Government - in my humble opinion - could take advantage of the revelation: helping to widen mankind horizons in every dimension, both physical and spiritual, and helping to stop the energy crisis, could improve the US and Russia reputations, and to level the current divergences among Mosca and Washington. 
  As I have already written in a former report, It would be a good thing to disclose and spread the truth about the reality of the extraterrestrial intelligence in the Universe, through an unknown historical fact in which the two great powers of the World of the past (the USA and the USSR) joined together for scientific and peaceful activities, in spite of all their differences and political hostilities.
 As pointed out by William Rutledge in one of his comments on YouTube: <<[...] the apollo 20 belongs to all mankind It is a part of all human's heritage>>.

  Virgilio wrote: <<Carpent tua poma nepotes>>. The Apollo 20 patch quotes it. Maybe we are those grandchildren.

 




  THE INTERVIEW WITH "MOONWALKER1966DELTA"
- FIRST PART - 




  In the following interview I have just put the right spaces, and corrected a few orthographical mistakes that there were in our messages (e.g. I have put the right capital letters, like "I" instead of "i", "Earth" instead of "earth", likely written in a hurry, ect.), but I did not change the syntactical construction of the sentences made by "moonwalker1966delta", who - in my opinion - from his English seems an American-English native land, or someone who knows English very well.



  1)  Luca Scantamburlo: First of all, I want to thank you for your precious time and your kindness. Your YouTube user name is "moonwalker1966delta". In our contacts you did not provide documents which can prove who you are, but you revealed to me your name and surname; you have also declared that you are a former NASA astronaut and you have been "Apollo 19 CMDR", where I know that CMDR, like CDR, means Commander. Of course I have been protecting your identity as I have promised, and I will omitt the names of NASA astronauts involved and that you have mentioned, at least for the moment. I wish they will speak out, sooner or later. Can you explain why you have chosen that user name? I think just some clues ? if you prefer ? could be enough. By the way, last year I recevied an e-mail about the Apollo 20 case from a former American pilot who wrote:
  <<There is no doubt that the U.S. has been on the moon since 1962 but it did not use rocket propulsion to do this.  However rocket launches of Mercury, Gemini and Apollo were used as a cover for the secret program. It is very possible that there were several Apollo launches both before and after the official Apollo program but they would have been launched from Diego Garcia, Kwajalein or Australia (possibly Melville Island) or another secret launch area. A Saturn V launched from Vandenberg although possible seems unlikely because of the size of the rocket and the fact that it was going to the moon. The rotational speed of the earth is significant in all Saturn launches and therefore the launch has to be generally eastbound. Since an eastbound launch out of Vandenberg would be very unlikely [...]>>
  Unfortunately I have never received answer from him, notwithstanding my several e-mails. That's why I have decided to spread part of his e-mail text. Can you comment on his opinion?
     
moonwalker1966delta: Dear Luca thank you so much for the opportunity to talk about this matter and all that is related. Honestly I don't know if we have been on the moon since 1962 but I don't agree with it for the simple reason we didn't have the technology to do that and because I followed step by step the lunar missions and the moon era starting from Mercury and Gemini missions to Apollo program and I have never heard about any previous possible mission to the moon.
  We launched from Vandenberg Air Force Base and the launch tower and complex has been carried there by sea. One simple assembly building, now shortered for the space shuttle military missions. The LUT tower was same model, the crawler too.
Mission control was locatedin Yevpatoria for Russia and Vandenberg for USA. To say that launching from Vandenberg for a moon mission would be impossible or quite difficult it's completely wrong and to say that rotational speed of the earth is significant in space launches is also wrong. A classic example could be the launch of Clementine 1 unmanned spacecraft to the moon from Vandenberg Air Force Base on January 25 1994. In reality it is possible to launch a spacecraft to the moon from everywhere on the earth, the only difference would be the longest time and biggest fuel consumption during TLI to insert in the correct trans lunar trajectory.I know that someone used a software to simulate an apollo launch from Vandenberg and the result has been that the first stage and the second stage would have crashed in Arizona and South Georgia. That is true! But if you take a look at the first stage separation footage of Apollo 11 for example and the Apollo 20 Rutldedge's footage you will notice for sure that the altitude it separated at is much much higher then apollo 11 altitude and the separation speed is much slower and the only reason for it is to make the first and second stage to be yet attracted by earth gravity but enough high to ensure they completely destroy during reentry into the atmosphere.
  About my nickname I can say that it represents in only 3 words my inner personal universe and all I have been attracted to. Moonwalker because I walked on the moon. 1966 because during Gemini 10 from 18 to 21 of July 1966 I operated the first computer and delta because it usually indicates a technology resulting from alien technology or generally indicating an alien interference.



2)  L.S.   William Rutledge (Apollo 20 CDR) told me that you ? crew members of Apollo 19 - were lost in space at the end of TLI maneuver. Since your first answer to my YouTube Account/General Messages ? on May 12, 2008  ? it touched me on the raw the fact you told me that - in spite of the difficulties - you survived. You said to me:
<<I really don't know nor understand why William said we had been lost in space. That's not true. It's true we have been hit by something>>.
 And this last thing is what William Rutledge told us. Morever you affirmed in your first message to me, dated May 12 2008:
<<we still don't know what caused a light loss of gyroscopic inertial vector a sudden breakdown of electrical power bus unit and a completely loss of telemetry. We had smoke and light fire on the frontal panel but we have been able to extinguish it at once. As soon as we had electrical power again we stopped manually giroscopic movement. Fortunatly we still have radio contact with Houston and as soon as [name omitted] and [name omitted] entered the simulator we have been able to receive remote telemetry data in voice with [name omitted] and Houston.>>

  So - please, correct me if I am wrong -  it means that Apollo 19 launching pad was in California and then - after the launch - you were assisted by Houston Mission Control (in Texas), and not by Vandenberg Air Force Base, which is in California?
  By the way: on June 24, 2007, I received a message by William Rutledge in which he said to me:
<< Hi Luca, yes i confirm, mission control was in Vandenberg NOT Nasa, it was a political mess, nasa provided the vehicle, it was a russian condition, the vehicle to be a civilian one. Sub contractors helped, except ILC dover , who was not a pure military contractor. Mission control in Vandenberg was slightly different, 5 rooms instead of a big one, little but efficient.>>
  Can you comment on it?

moonwalker1966delta: yes that's correct. Mission control for USA was in Vandenberg AFB but we have been forced to use Houston mission control for contingency situation due to incident occured because the simulator Armstrong and Aldrin used was located at KSC and telemetry link data of the simulator was directly connected to Houston mission control as in usual Apollo Missions. That's why from that moment we used radio and data link with Houston mission control only.



3) L.S.   In your message I mentioned in question nr. 2 of the interview, you said:
<<We had to be back up crew of Apollo 19 but since the original crew has been cancelled about 3 weeks before launch we became the mission crew while [name omitted] and [name omitted] have been selected as back up crew. [...] we haven't got women on board but another official Apollo program astronaut as pilot and another russian cosmonaut with exceptional medical skills.>>
  What can you tell me about Stephanie Ellis (Abidjan, Ivory Coast, 1946 - ? 1976)?  Was she a member of the Apollo 19 original crew, later on cancelled? And can you confirm the identity of the Soviet cosmonaut scheduled for Apollo 19? William Rutledge told me he was ?Aleksei Sorokin? (YouTube message received by me on July 15, 2007). I spread this information to the public for the first time.  What happened to them?

moonwalker1966delta: Yes I confirm original Apollo 19 crew members were Stephanie Ellis Aleksei Sorokin and John Swigert. John died in 1982 for cancer but Stephanie and Aleksei disappeared in 1975 and 1976. I don't know the real reason they have been removed from Apollo 19 crew but someone said Stephanie was talking around too much about Apollo 19 mission and the moon spacecraft. I heard she died at the end of 1975 during a training flight.



4) L.S.   Have you ever met Leona Marietta Snyder, Apollo 20 CSP?
 
moonwalker1966delta: Yes I met Leona Snyder and William 2 months after Apollo 20 reentry during a secret conference at KSC and again in 1993 at a restaurant in San Antonio with Leonov and David Scott.



5) L.S.  Can you tell me when and where - if it happened - did you meet William Rutledge for the first and the last time?

moonwalker1966delta: The first time I met William was in 1974 at JSP where I have been selected as chief of astronauts. I was training for Apollo 19 and when I knew the names of Apollo 20 crew I ask to meet him and I have been very impressed about his knowledge of alien technology we are working about at that time. The last time has been in San Antonio in 1993.

[...]

The end of the first part of the interview


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September 15, 2008

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APOLLO 20: FOR THE SOVIETS
THE MISSION CONTROL WAS IN YEVPATORIYA



The revelations by "moonwalker1966delta" confirm Rutledge's testimony

  In one of his first messages sent to me, William Rutledge (aka "retiredafb") told me that for the Soviets the Apollo 20 mission control was in Yevpatoriya. "moonwalker1966delta" has confirmed this detail (above, see his answer to question nr. 1).

  Here you are - spread to the general public - part of a Rutledge's message, never revealed before by me:

<<[...] Russians had another mission control in Yevpatoria, Lyosha could take his orders from there , anyway there was no interference between russians and US military. I saw your note about medals... We were fired out any space program. The american space program fell abruptly after Jimmy carter's election. Gerald Ford was a big fan of space program, cooperation between CCCP and USA was very active, he had clear views about the space shuttle program. In august 1976, he was busy about elections and didn't participated or watched any part of the adventure.>>
"retiredafb" on YouTube - in a message to Luca Scantamburlo (YouTube Account/General Messages, June 24, 2007), the same message mentioned in my question nr. 2 of the interview to "moonwalker1966delta".

 
  In May 2007 - at the beginning of our contacts - William Rutledge wrote to me about two other towns:

<<[...] i'm forced to use a anonymizer program. I'm still very carefull , and i wish, if it is ok for you, to reply on this youtube adress.
You can ask me everythig , i'll just have to give the names of employees of the lower class, other names will not be a problem.>>
<<[...] the chief of the russian programm was in the Ural, in the towns of Nijni Tagil and Sverdlovsk (today Yekaterinburg).>>
"retiredafb" on YouTube - in a message to Luca Scantamburlo (YouTube Account/General Messages, May 18, 2007).

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THE INTERVIEW WITH "MOONWALKER1966DELTA"
- SECOND PART -
 

   On September 24, 2008, on my YouTube account I received some answers by "moonwalker1966delta": to questions nr. 8, 10, 11 and 12. No answer for questions nr. 6,7 and 9 yet. I do not know the reasons. Moreover, they are still missing answers to questions nr. 13 and 14. For the following second part of the interview - as usual - I have just put the right spaces and the right capital letters, like "I" instead of "i", likely written in a hurry, ect., but I did not change the syntactical construction of the sentences made by "moonwalker1966delta".




8) L.S.   What can you tell me about Charles Peter Conrad and James Irwin as CapCom? Moreover, have you ever met prof. Valentin Alexeiev, mentioned by W. Rutledge as the presumed person in charge of the mission in Soviet Union, and who would have become later on the President of the Academy of Science in Urals?

moonwalker1966delta: Yes I can confirm Charles Peter Conrad and James Irwin as CAPCOM of Apollo 20 and no I have never personally met Alexeiev though he has been the Soviet Mission Director for my mission too.




10) L.S.   What were your mission targets, as Apollo 19 crew?     

moonwalker1966delta: Our main targets were one of the triangular object located south of the main mothership, the mothership herself and the moon base located SW of the mothership. Our landing site was the same of Apollo 20. Soviets launched the SL-12 2 months before our mission and Luna 21 landed on the west side of the crater. Apollo 20 used Lunokhod 2 as a radio beacon to land exactly on the second largest rockstair not far from Luna 21. Rutledge and Leonov made and extensive use of Lunokhod 2 due to it's highly sophisticated equipment necessary for this kind of mission not only the 4 panoramic telephotometers but also the X-ray scope combined with laser telemeter and the radiation detector to verify the possible radiations emitted by the ship and the base.




11) L.S.   What can you tell me about the origin of the alien spacecrafts resting on the backside of the Moon: the cigar-shaped object and the two triangles? Is there any relationship among them? And can you give me once again ? as you have already done in a private message - the lunar coordinates of the triangle objects, never revealed before?
     
moonwalker1966delta: The origin of the two objects the mothership and the alien base were the same. Same materials and same age. We think they have been shot down during a sort of "lunar Pearl Harbor". The base has been completely destroyed and the mothership and the 2 spacecraft shot down during and emergency take off. That is what William and Leonov thought too. As I previously answered in our private message the 2 objects are clearly visible in AS15-P-9625 and AS15-P-9630 in the upper side of the pic and just right of the mothership at coordinates 18.7S - 116.92E and 18.31S - 117.48E. You can notice they are absolutly identical in their triangular shape. If you use a software like NASA World Wind it could be easy to locate them and notice the green metallic brilliance of the first object.




12) L.S.   Lunar coordinates of the presumed alien space mothership: Nose 17.3 deg S, 117.62 deg E; Cockpit 17.15 deg S, 117.62 deg E; Base 17.20 deg S, 117.62 deg E. Were they given us inverted? The longitude is coherent with the position of the huge object (approximately 4 km long). The problem is with the latitude: not with the latitude data, but with their reference to the major parts of the object (the nose and the base). We should have their reversal, in my opinion. What do you think? 
     
moonwalker1966delta: We had to do the same footage and follow the same path. If you follow the path of the LM in the first part of the footage and compare it on a lunar map you will see that is coherent with the subtitles and the camera we had to use would have been a 16mm Maurer motion picture cameras with 10mm lenses with the Data Acquisition Camera Mount connected to the the window sliding rail through a knob. In the second part of the video the footage is provided by mounting a photolens of 75 mm with it's aperture aligned to the LM X axis + 1 degree and usually used to film the outdoor CM manouvers and alignments.In this second part of the footage the trajectory is not coherent to the previous trajectory nor to the subtitles. I think the second part has been inverted and the subtitles followed the inverted images providing the right coordinates but in the opposite sequence. The video must be seen reverted from the bottom to the cockpit and the subtitles indications must be reverted too leaving the coordinates data unchanged. That's my idea. 

[...]

The end of the second part



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October 11, 2008






AUGUST 2008, ANOTHER WHISTLEBLOWER SPEAKS OUT: 
"ANONYMOUS ATS"

  Weeks ago I had an e-mail contact with Bill Ryan (Project Camelot) concerning the Apollo 20 case and William Rutledge's footage, especially the footage about the EBE "Mona Lisa" spread by "retiredafb" on revver.com.
  B. Ryan told me that many people think the footage is a fake but - at the same time - he pointed out a very interesting topic on AboveTopSecret (ATS) forum, where last August an anonymous individual wrote something that I should have read it.
  The title of the topic is ?Apollo 20 update?, begun in April 2008. The remarkable intervention is the one posted at 09:50 PM on August 14, 2008, by ?Anonymous ATS?.

source: http://abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread347845/pg11

  The whistleblower is - according to the written testimony - the son of a former NRO employee who years ago - before to die because of an "inoperable cancer" - revealed a secret which has always been a weight on his chest: to have participated, as member of a Mission control team, to <<[?] an ultra-black project in the mid-70's that sent another mission to the moon to investigate a particularly provacative anomaly>>. 
 NRO (National Reconnaissance Office) is a very important intelligence agency, and "Anonymous ATS" is right when he says <<[...] It was declassified in 1992...>>. 
 
  Well, there are some details told by this whistleblower very close to the aspects of Rutledge's story: same year (1976) in which the black operation would have been occured, same location for the Mission Control (Vandenberg AFB) and same goal: investigating a lunar singularity, which in 1973 <<[...] was confirmed>> as <<[...] in fact a derelict spacecraft>>. 
  There are also some inconsistencies: for example a different position from where to launch the spacecraft - not Vandenberg but an island in the Indian Ocean - and no signs of triangular objects and no extraterrestrial creatures recovered. 
  But the whistleblower told us also that <<[...] My father said that the project was highly compartmentalized so he did not know the whole story>>.






  Here you have the main points made by "Anonymous ATS" about his father's story:

<< [...] 

1. He did not mention anything about "Apollo 20" and never even gave a formal name. In addition, there were no markings on the rocket or spacecraft. This operation was entirely off the books. No one on the operation used their real names, that's how far it went. 

2. Mission Control was located at Vandenburg AFB. The actual launch was on the island of Diego Garcia. This island was located in the Indian Ocean along the equator with virtually nothing around it. This site was chosen because if launched to the East, the rocket would have nearly 12,000 miles of unbroken water to help cover the tracks. It was accepted people would see the launch wherever it was, this site would limit that.

3. The project was initiated, by Nixon's orders, in late 1971. My father's work began on the project began in 1974. The actual mission took place in 1976. My father said that he underwent an intensive psychological exam before he was selected to join the program. He said he thought he was bought in mainly because he "could be trusted".

4. The actual mission consisted of 3 American astronauts whose names he would not mention. He said that these men had been trained for nearly 4 years specifically for this mission. He also said that in 1973 it was confirmed the object was in fact a derelict spacecraft. He reviewed this pictures personally when selected for the project.

5. The spacecraft was speculated to be roughly 1.5 million years old, although he was not allowed access to that exact information. The ship was badly decayed from meteor impacts and the ancient crash. The ship was cigar shaped, and massive, the section was roughly 1 mile. Evidence suggested it been explored before us. No alien remains were found. 300kg of artifacts were stripped and brought back. My father described what he called "strange hieroglyphs and markings" covering what was assumed to be the the "cockpit" of the craft.

6. At least 2 other governments were involved with the project. My father said he worked with a British analyst and he knew of a smaller team in Australia but wasn't sure the Australian government were exactly aware of what our men were doing.

[...] >> 


from: Apollo 20 update, Topic started on 9-4-2008 @ 09:33 AM by JohnnyRaincheckd
reply posted on 14-8-2008 @ 09:50 PM by Anonymous ATS 

source:http://abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread347845/pg11
Thanks to AboveTopSecret (ATS)






  About point nr. 3, as the matter of fact in May 1972 U.S. President Richard Nixon and the Soviet politican Kossygin - in spite of the Cold War times - signed in Moscow an important agreement on Space and technology: a five years agreement of cooperation among United States and Soviet Union: <<Agreement Concerning Cooperation in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space for Peaceful Purposes.>> That's why the Apollo-Soyuz Test Project (ASTP) was possible.

  But most important it is the fact that some of the details of this presumed and unknown piece of XX Century history, are coherent with some aspects told me by William Rutledge (the alleged Apollo 20 CDR) by YouTube messages, but aspects I have never revealed to the general public so far: I am doing now it on this Web page, showing the snapshots of our contacts as evidence. 
  For example the "Anonymous ATS" has written:
<<[?] there were no markings on the rocket or spacecraft>>.

  On June 6, 2007, I received a message by William Rutledge in which he told me that:
<<[?] On the lift off sequence, the saturn 5 has no markings till the third stage. [?] In vandenberg, the saturn V launch had to be not reconizable, no BW lines or USA marks on the rocket. Only the last ring was black painted, and it could look like an ordinary Delta rocket at 4 miles distance.>>.
from Luca Scantamburlo's YouTube account, message by "retiredafb" (received on June 6, 2007, 01:37 AM)



  Moreover, "Anonymous ATS" has reported in his point nr.6 about at least two other Governments involved in the classified project: 
<<6. At least 2 other governments were involved with the project. My father said he worked with a British analyst and he knew of a smaller team in Australia but wasn't sure the Australian government were exactly aware of what our men were doing.>>  
  On May 23, 2007, 06:12 AM (at the beginning of our contacts) I received a YouTube message by William Rutledge where he wrote me that: 
<<[?] about nation involved
1 As far as i know, it?s USA and Russia, but i would not be surprised if france is on this program, MHD and anti matter is used in this country.>>

from Luca Scantamburlo's YouTube account, message by "retiredafb" (received on May 23, 2007, 06:12 AM)



  And at 09:26 am on July 15, 2007, I received a message by William Rutledge where he wrote that:
<<[?] I'd like to post the genuine sound but they are on separated tapes. Many people , radio amateur were tracking the apollo missions , so the sound was coded and was separated from video , secrecy was kept unless i think than French and British got the tv feeds (m' not sure of this).>>
from Luca Scantamburlo's YouTube account, message by "retiredafb" (received on July 15, 2007, 09:26 AM)




  In the snapshots here presented, the public will find more information told me by William Rutledge, not discussed by me in this report.


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October 11, 2008



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Inside the Constellation (Apollo 20 spacecraft, August 1976). 
Frames from the 
<<APOLLO 20 ALIEN SPACESHIP ON THE MOON CSM FLYOVER>>:
a presumed 16 mm footage taken by 
Leona M. Snyder; 
source: YouTube, added by “retiredafb” on June 24, 2007. 

Reproduction by kind permission of USSR-AIRSPACE.COM
www.USSR-AIRSPACE.COM
Copyright © 2006-2010

f

Alexei Leonov, former Soviet cosmonaut, with the American and Soviet flags of the Apollo Soyuz Test Project; 
see the following link.

The American and Soviet flags of the Apollo Soyuz Test Project; 
see the following link

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The Space Shuttle Launch Sites 
and a Titan launch from the 
Vandenberg Air Force Base,
in California

U.S. Air Force Photo
Courtesy NASA.

Frame from the footage 
<<APOLLO 20 Legacy liftoff 
of Apollo 20 saturne 5>>, 
added on YouTube 
by “retiredafb” on April 9, 2007. 

Detail of the AS15-M-1579  
High Resolution Image,
taken on Apollo 15; 
camera altitude: 116 km; 
revolution: 38; Sun Elevation: 24°; 
Lens Focal Length: 3 inch

Courtesy NASA/LPI

Frame from the 
<<APOLLO 20 TEST Snyder Ingress>>

Video added by “retiredafb” (William Rutledge) on YouTube on June 18, 2007; you can see the North American Rockwell Corp. logo on the technicians’ overalls. The video was removed by “retiredafb” himself, and later on added again on YouTube by “moonwalker1966delta”

Frame from a video added by “retiredafb” 
on revver.com: likely the man is 
William Rutledge, 
Apollo 20 CDR, here aboard the 
Lunar Module Phoenix (LM-15) 
on the far side of the Moon 
(August 1976);

Apollo 20 MET 174, 
unscheduled TV transmission 

John L. Swigert, Jr.
(August 30, 1931 – December 27, 1982) NASA Astronaut; he was test pilot for North American Aviation, Inc., before joining NASA in April 1966. He was also an engineering test pilot for Pratt and Whitney from 1957 to 1964. 

source and credit:
Biographical Data, NASA,
Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center

Two Sides of the Moon. 
Our Story of the Cold War Space Race
by 
David Scott and Alexei Leonov. 
With Christine Toomey. 

Thomas Dunne Books, 
St. Martin’s Press, New York, 
First U.S. Edition, October 2004. 
First published in U.K
by Simon & Schuster, 
A Viacom Company.

Frames from a presumed
unscheduled TV transmission: the so-called “EBE Mona Lisa” 
aboard the Phoenix LM-15
(Apollo 20, MET 174), found by the LEM crew aboard an ancient
triangular craft
resting on the far side of the Moon, not too far from the
cigar-shaped object.

source of the frames:
video added by “retiredafb”‘ 
on revver.com

Detail from
AS15-M-1720_MED
NASA photo by Courtesy 
Johnson Space Center and 
Arizona State University’s  Space 
Exploration Resources

apollo.sese.asu.edu/

Detail of NASA Image (AS15-M-1720_MED)
changed in contrast 
and brightness
 by L. Scantamburlo, 
using 
Gimp 2.2.10 
software 
by 
Spencer Kimball & Peter Mattis 

Is the triangle shaped-object above visible in official NASA photos one of the two triangular spacecrafts resting on the lunar surface and mentioned by William Rutledge 
and “moonwalker1966delta”?

Presumed lunar surface through a LM-15 (Apollo 20 LEM) window: frame from a video added by “retiredafb” on revver.com; 
the lander on the surface 
looks like 
a Soviet Lunokhod. 
See answer nr. 10 for 
explanations.  

 Detail of NASA Image (AS15-M-1580_LRG)
rotated and changed in 
contrast and brightness
by L. Scantamburlo,
using Gimp 2.2.10, 
software by 
Spencer Kimball & Peter Mattis 

NASA Photo by Courtesy 
Johnson Space Center and 
Arizona State University’s Space 
Exploration Resources

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The Landing Point Designator (L.P.D.) on a LEM window.

Courtesy NASA
source of the image: click here

Frame from the video
<<ALIEN SPACESHIP ON THE MOON flyover  bef. landing APOLLO 20>>
spread on 
YouTube by “retiredafb” 
on May 4, 2007.

from Luca Scantamburlo’s YouTube account, message by “retiredafb”, (received on June 6, 2007,
01:37 AM) 

Thanks to YouTube

from Luca Scantamburlo’s YouTube account, message by “retiredafb” (received on May 23, 2007, 
06:12 AM) 

Thanks to YouTube

from Luca Scantamburlo’s YouTube account, message by “retiredafb” (received on July 15, 2007, 
09:26 AM) 

Thanks to YouTube